Is JESUS DELEGATE OF GOD? OR GOD IN THE FLESH?

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Is JESUS DELEGATE OF GOD? OR GOD IN THE FLESH?

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"Bible never mentions "God the son." Those words are not scriptural. The phrase "eternal son of God" is not in the Bible. The word "Trinity" is not in the Bible, neither is the phrase "second person in the Godhead," nor is the definition that there are "three persons in the Godhead" found there. Those things all come out of man's attempt to understand what only the Bible can explain, the great mystery of Godliness." Read: http://www.whoisjesus.com/deputy.html.
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The biblical god does not exist. He does not exist because the idea of such a god is self contradictory. As self contradictory as a round triangle.

God cannot be all loving, all capable and all knowing and yet create a world that is capable of having so much suffering as this one. That is a gross contradiction.

So the biblical god cannot exist, therefore Jesus cannot be either a delegate of god or god in the flesh.

There is no god to begin with. Not in the biblical sense.

It's all fabricated.
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What does the Bible say about sufferings? What is the cause of suffering in this world? Did God intend to create the world and subject people into sufferings?
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The bible says it was not God's intention for there to be suffering.That suffering is a result of Satan tempting man in the garden of Eden.

But why did God create a universe in which Satan is even possible to be in? Why create a world in which suffering is even possible if God was able and loving enough to create a world in which suffering is not possible?
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The bible says it was not God's intention for there to be suffering.That suffering is a result of Satan tempting man in the garden of Eden.

But why did God create a universe in which Satan is even possible to be in? Why create a world in which suffering is even possible if God was able and loving enough to create a world in which suffering is not possible?
God created the world with all such possibilities because He wanted a man to make his own choices. He allows suffering to happen to teach and discipline us, so that we know He is the God.

The suffering is a result of man disobeying God and listening to Satan in the Garden. God even foretold Adam and Eve consequences of their disobedience, so that they could make an informed decision. God is so democratic to the extent He provides us with a lot of options to choose from, as we do everyday.
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Unread postby kipanga 1 year ago

That answer is unsatisfactory.

First of all, man's choices are limited. We cannot move backwards in time for example. So this notion that God wanted man to have his own choices is flawed.

Second, couldn't God have created a universe in which man has choice, but choice in things that do not involve evil? Why is evil necessary?
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That answer is unsatisfactory.

First of all, man's choices are limited. We cannot move backwards in time for example. So this notion that God wanted man to have his own choices is flawed.

Second, couldn't God have created a universe in which man has choice, but choice in things that do not involve evil? Why is evil necessary?
What do you mean we cannot move backwards in time, in which sense?

According to Albert Einstein, time is a relative concept and for example, he asserted that, the higher you live above sea level the faster you should age, see also Twins Paradox. Einstein's theory of relativity has introduced a new way of thinking about time and space , and it suggests that we can move backwards in time!

Why man's choices are limited? What causes man's choices to be limited?

Couldn't God have created a universe in which man has choice, but choice in things that do not involve evil? Why is evil necessary?

God could have created a universe where no even a single person could commit evil. But He decided to create the world that would have been perfect if man did not sin. Since Adam and Eve did chose to disobey God, sin came into the world! Remember that, Adam and Eve could chose to obey God!

But, luckily, God has promised those who believe that Jesus died so that they may be saved, a perfect universe that you are dreaming of!

Why do you want God to have created the universe where you could live with only one choice, being not able to do evil?

No wonder, people like you who purposefully deny God, were foretold in the Bible many years ago:

2 Timothy 3: 1 - 5:

1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
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Unread postby kipanga 1 year ago

By saying that you cannot move backwards I time, I mean that you cannot move back to 1986 and undo the mischief you caused then.

You see, I would like to very much go back to 1986, and undo some slaps I irrevocably caused due to a youthful sense of mischief.I could go on about an ex presidents daughter and the sorrow I caused her, here, but that would be digressing.

But I cannot do that. Even though I want to disown these acts. Why?

I am aware of Einstein's Relativity.I have been reading it for the past 20 years. You actually have it backwards. The higher you live (farthest from the source of gravity) the faster time passes, the slower you age.It is very easy to confuse the fact that the faster time passes, the slower you age, and to think that the faster time passes, the faster you age. I can totally understand why you made that mistake. Relativity is a bit counterintuitive. But the real fun is in Quantum Physics.

My question was simple. Why did God create a universe in which evil is possible if indeed God had all the power, the knowledge and the love to do so.

Your answer, that God decided to create a world which would be perfect if humankind did not sin, does not answer my question, and answers a different question.

Your answer answers the question "Which world did God create?" . This is not my question. I know the world I live in. I know the various religious texts that asserts God as the creator of this world.

I can draw a logical conclusion from the books that, according to the books - primarily Bible and Quran- you are right. God created a world and gave it the conditions you stated, that if humankind followed his way, no evil could have existed. I get that. Since Sunday School. I come from a long line of Bishops and Pastors. We used to sing a hymn, read the Bible, say a sermon and pray every night.

Long story short, I understand your answer. I have found it inadequate for the last 21 years.

You see, the question you have not answered is still the same original question. Because the question you answered is a different one from the original question asked.

A month ago, you quoted my question. At the risk of coming off as pretentious, I will paste it again here. Please forgive my ignorance with this interface. I am still not entirely familiar with it.

On August 08 2016 you quoted me writing the below, for the record and benefit of thse who can't find time to scroll up.

"The bible says it was not God's intention for there to be suffering. That suffering is a result of Satan tempting man in the garden of Eden.

But why did God create a universe in which Satan is even possible to be in? Why create a world in which suffering is even possible if God was able and loving enough to create a world in which suffering is not possible?"

My question was a why question. Why questions are some of the hardest questions around. Because they deal with the underlying reasons, the deepest part of inquiry, the root cause, not just the explanation of how things are as they are, but the deeper causative and - motivational or chaotic- facts that makes the explanation into what it is. Professor Stephen Hawkins talks about his desire to understand not only the equations of the physical nature, but the also what breathes fire into the equation. Now, a lazy mind will easily jump to the God conclusion. But I would like to stay away from that crowd. I would like to investigate everything and only state that which is certain within a logical framework, to a practical, pragmatic and an acceptable margin of error.

Why do I find your answer unsatisfactory?

To begin with, it does not answer my question.

To put it simply, my question was "Why did God create this world, while he could have created a better world". The question asks for the reasons that made god to create this world, even as he could have created a better world.

These reasons were not given.

Instead, an explanation of the logic of why God created this world was given. That is good. But it does not answer my question.

It is like landing at Dar airport from London and asking the way to Kariakoo, and being told how to get back to London. Thanks for the tip on how to get back to London, but that is not what I asked!

Again, the question is, why did God create a world in which evil is possible, while he could have created a world in which evil is not possible?

Free will is not an answer. We do not have freewill. I can't even move to 1986 to un-slap a girl.

Satan is not part of the answer. I am asking why did god even chose to create a world in which Satan is possible?

Human fallibility is not an answer. I am asking why did God even create a world in which humans are fallible?

Think careful before you answer this question. I have been looking for the answer for the last 21 years at least, diligently, to no avail.

Just to put this in perspective, the current Roman Catholic Pope, no slouch in matters theological by any stretch of imagination, was asked a version of this question, and decided to duck it, because he had no clear answer.

Read more here http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/665971/pop ... ren-suffer

The Pope clearly does not have an answer and diverts from the question. Much like you did.
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Unread postby Eli 1 year ago

So, your fundamental question is "Why did God create a world in which evil is possible, while he could have created a world in which evil is not possible?"

Here is the answer to your question:

Genesis 1: 31: God saw all that he made, and it was very good. - "And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day"

That means, God created the world, and it was all good and satisfying to Him. So He did not want to add or do things that would make a man satisfied, but Him and only Him.

Why Roman Pope and not someone else?
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